Wednesday, August 03, 2005

Is It Time To Profile?


Okay, okay. Before I get all the haters calling me a racist bigot and what not, hear me OUT. There are even politicians calling for this to happen in a time of war. Democratic and Republican politicians.

NYC has recently adopted the idea that randomly searching bags on subways will ease tensions of riders and make us feel safer. And maybe they'll even find what they are looking for - a bomb, or lip gloss, or granny's rosary, whatever. DC might even adopt the random bag searches as well.

I ride the subway every day. In case anyone is worried about cops racial profiling people, let me put you at ease.
I am a young, brown haired, brown eyed, Scottish/Italian woman. I come to work dressed in a yellow tube dress from Le Chateau, a black sweater and black stilletos, with my black work bag. My toes are neatly manicured and pedicured. I wear knock-off Gucci sunglasses. I pose no threat whatsoever to society. Someone will simply look at me and think, 'harmless.'

And still, I got pulled out randomly to have my bag searched. Whats to be found in a 22 year old woman's work bag? My iPod, Bonnie Bell Lip Gloss, Cell Phone, notebook, folders with notes, and a pink feather pen.


I smirked when the cop asked if he could search my bag. I didn't mean to and I felt bad for doing it, but COME ON. Do I look like I pose a threat on the subway? Do I LOOK like I would carry a bomb? We BOTH knew we were wasting time. From the time it took me to place my bag on the mantle, open it, and have it searched, someone with an actual bomb could have easily squeezed through. All while the cop searched the girl in the too-high heels and bright yellow tube dress.

The random searches on the New York subways are a response to the recent bombings in London. Who was it that bombed the London subways? Young Muslim/Islamic men. Who flew planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon? Young Muslim/Islamic men. Who are we fighting a war against terrorism? Young Muslim/Islamic men. And please, if I am wrong on that note, explain to me WHO else it could have been based on the evidence we have collected thus far.

In any case of being politically correct, we certainly are. But how far is this PC going to go? Until a bomber enters our subway and blows it up? Is THAT when we are going to start racial profiling?

Of course I feel safer with the cops prescence at subway stations. And I actually feel good knowing they are searching bags, even if it is mine. But is that the point to all of this? To make us FEEL safer, when we actually really aren't?

Honestly, I don't know if it's time to start profiling. I don't agree with racial profiling, but in a time of war, is it necessary? I'd like to know your thoughts.

72 Comments:

At 1:32 PM, Blogger Johnny said...

Agreed!

I guess they need to look like they are doing something so the politicos can stay in office.

 
At 1:51 PM, Blogger VP of Dior said...

OK, it's true that young muslim men are usually the suicide bombers. But ANYONE, regardless of race, can convert to this religion (I know a few Caucasian muslims). Who's to say that they won't turn against America and subscribe to these terrorist tactics? I think one of the bombers in London was from Jamaica and of African descent. So as we continue to fight this war against terror, it may become increasingly harder to tell who is "harmless."

I also agree w/ Johnny that these bag searches are probably just for show to make the public happy.

 
At 1:59 PM, Blogger Adam said...

I got searched at the San Diego airport last year, I was wearing board shorts, a Padres hat, sunglasses and flip flops and carrying my wallet...no carry on, no keys, no phone...nothing else...there wasn't anything for them to search...and I look as suburban/apple pie as it gets...

 
At 2:05 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Do I look like I pose a threat on the subway? Do I LOOK like I would carry a bomb?"

First point - Of course you might not "look" like a threat now and, presumably, if profiling were to occur you'd most likely not get selected for a search on days that you're dressed up for work. But, what if profiling were to occur? Would you be "profiled" on the days that you are dressed down with your darker Italian skin showing? Possibly. Would you be happy with that? (As an Italian-American woman, myself, I wouldn't want to be profiled based on how dark my skin gets).

Second Point - If profiling did occur then wouldn't the typical bomber begin to look more like you in your tube dress and stilletos less like a "typical" bomber?

I agree that bag searches are probably just for show, but, in my opinion, if searches are being implemented then the searches should remain random.

 
At 2:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with the other anon. I'm sorry they took time out of your day, but the truth is as white people we know we can get away with a lot more. So eventually anyone who wants to be a terrorist is going to try to look as white as possible or will pay white people to do it for them if they know they won't get searched. These bag searches are stupid, they're going to need metal detectors on the metro and other mass transit to really start making any difference, but until then all we can say is "search away"

 
At 2:38 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

All very good argumentive points. Yet, to say that anyone who wants to be a terrorist is going to "look as white as possible" is naive. We know who we are fighting this war on terrorism against.

Also - on being Italian, why would they profile a woman, let alone of Italian, Muslim, Spanish decent?This war is against Muslim/Islamic men. Not a woman. No matter what skin color. No matter what she is wearing. Just my thoughts.

I'd like to reiterate that I dont agree with profiling, but I feel that it might be a better way to actually protect us. Making us "feel" safer is only an imaginary safety net - and its wasting our time and the cops.

 
At 2:43 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about this, if searches are random, then a potential bomber would know that there is a chance of getting caught, no matter how small. The person's actions wouold probably clue the cops to that potential threat. As this "non-threatining" girl, you are probably not the intended target anyway.

 
At 2:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

racial profiling yes but also common sense- so far most all of the bombers have been from saudi arabia (arab people)although it will get harder for this to remain close true...anyway (why we're in iraq is beyond me).but i have to say honestly..if i'm on a plane or subway and an arab person is next to me with a backpack..i'm gonna look at them harder than the little old white lady with her purse it's just common sense...and wanting to live. if ya don't wanna be searched...then move into a rural area as this is just america under Bush nowdays..

 
At 2:45 PM, Blogger VP of Dior said...

Muslim women suicide bombers are growing in numbers. Many see it as a way of achieving equality for the sexes. Women bombers are popping up from Chechnya to Palestine.

But its still a phenomenon the U.S. has yet to experience directly (thank God).

 
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At 2:48 PM, Anonymous Rachel said...

"Also - on being Italian, why would they profile a woman, let alone of Italian, Muslim, Spanish decent?This war is against Muslim/Islamic men. Not a woman. No matter what skin color. No matter what she is wearing."

Just a point -- My Italian husband who has very dark skin and dark features often gets mistaken for a Muslim. I think that was the point of the anon poster. How are you supposed to determine if a man is Muslim/Islamic just from their appearance? Many, many other ethnicities sport dark, tanned skin and dark features. Also, in the past few years there has been an increase in the number of female, suicide bombers. So, if profiling were to occur, I think it's safe to say that dark-skinned women would be profiled too.

 
At 2:57 PM, Blogger Myron said...

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At 2:57 PM, Anonymous Lil Orphan Amie said...

It's weird who they choose "randomly." I took my fourteen year old niece to the airport and they practically strip searched her. I understand being "fair," but what in God's name would a little girl traveling ALONE mind you do to anyone on the plane or anywhere else...

 
At 3:03 PM, Anonymous Mitch said...

Hmm..."Myron"? I think that "Moron" seems more fitting then "Myron" don't you?

 
At 3:19 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

good post... thanks.

Kim
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At 4:07 PM, Blogger Complacent Chase said...

I disagree with racial profiling...but it happens anyway. (Trust me)
If they just start stopping "Muslim-looking" men...then pretty soon we are going to see on the news aboutasian women dropping bombs or blonde hair blue-eyed male suicide bombers.
You never know who is carrying a bomb or who wants to hurt other people.
Look on the news! Not all the people that want to do harm to others are Muslim. If we start singling out Muslims at the metros and airports then we should also start stopping white men between the ages of 22-55 to make sure they are not pedophiles. Or every black man between the ages of 18-34 to make sure he hasn't just raped someone.
Let's just be real here people!

 
At 4:19 PM, Anonymous rcr said...

You're supporting terrorism with your knock-off sunglasses. You see, the authentic designer label ensures that the money made from exploiting thousands of chinese workers will go into the designer's pocket, and not into the coffers of organized criminals.

 
At 4:24 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

Well tell that to the person who sold them to me at a mall in VIRGINIA. I DO NOT SUPPORT TERRORISM. What an insane allegation.

 
At 4:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think "Random" is the key word here. If they happen to search every 5th person that is getting on the subway, and you are the 5th person, then you're getting searched regardless of your age, sex, nationality. That's just how they do their job. I agree it's a waste of time and I do beleive it's all for show. I mean, if someone really wanted to bomb any of our landmarks or public transportation systems they're going to do so anyway, I beleive. I think that if we were to start "profiling" that wouldnt make a difference either or prevent acts of terrorism as these people will stop at nothing.

 
At 4:28 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

rcr, I think that's a little extreme

 
At 4:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great article! I think they need to do more than just profile but it would be a great start. We need to take a more aggressive start to this now in the western world before it gets too far. It just goes to show you how stupid these muslim extremists are. These miserable bastards are in their own countries killing each other because they practice the same religion in a different way. Sunnis killing shiites, give me a break. How stupid are these people... it is like religious groups exploding abortion clinics. The people that come from these countries have never experienced any real leadership or freedom. They have never contributed anything to the world. If they didn't have oil, they would be another starving culture like Africa. What really bothers me is that there aren't a lot of muslims in the local papers and communities around here standing up against these attacks and people actually oppose profiling. IT is stupid not to profile. -bk

 
At 4:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well you support terrorism by buying fake goods. Just like the people that shop at Urban Outfitters support homophobia and bigotry, because the CEO of Urban Outfitters gives money to Rick Santorum. I found your post extremely offensive. You're insinuating that just because you're white, dress cute and have manicured nails doesn't mean that you're capable of being malicious or hateful. I'm sure you also blame all brown looking people for September 11th.

 
At 5:04 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

"I'm sure you also blame all brown looking people for September 11th."

How's that for some word vomit?

I STATED that I don't agree with racial profiling, and told readers not to worry about it because I am even being searched even though we know for a FACT that NO WHITE AMERICAN WOMAN has committed a terrorism crime post Sept 11, which is why these searches are being conducted in the first place.

And accusing anyone of supporting terrorism by puchashing products is RIDICULOUS. If thats a point you choose to pick at, I feel sorry that you don't see the big picture or problem.

 
At 5:16 PM, Anonymous Paul said...

Lil,

Just a question -- How do you propose figuring out which men are muslim and islamic, as opposed to other brown-skinned young men? Afterall, post-911 many Hindu, Indian men in this country were harassed because it's simply too difficult to distinguish an Indian man from a Muslim/Islamic man from a dark-skinned Italian from a -- well, I'm sure you get the point. And, shouldn't we include white young men in the mix to profile too? Afterall, Tim McVeigh was a terrorist as well and we are fighting a war against terrorism currently.

 
At 5:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can think of a white guy in Oklahoma that did before that. Oh yeah, and some uni-bomber before that. and some white kids who shot up a school in Colorado before that. My god! White people are terrorists, too??!!

If you are indeed looking at the "big picture" of terrorism, why are you limiting your scope? Do you feel safer believing that there exists some ubiquitous, muslim enemy that can be readily identified? (you do know that an overwhelming amount of muslims are not of arab descent, right?)

....and buying knock-off Gucci's does not make you a terrorist supporter. it just makes you cheap and tacky.

 
At 5:36 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

Anon - great point, which leads to my original question - should we profile? I dont have a proposition on how we should or IF we should... I would like to know if it would make things easier on us though. I dont believe that what they are doing now is an effective way to find a terrorist. So I brought up profiling. Yet, there are other ways too, aren't there? Metal detectors. Instead of searching every 5 people, search everyone. I just think its so stupid to randomly pick every fifth person, be it a grandma, a kid - what is the point? To make us feel safer or to really look for a bomb in grandma's bag of rosaries? I just think there is a MUCH better way to go about protecting us and searching for a potential threat/bomber. We are too worried about being PC and not worried enough about the possibly that something could happen to us like it did in London. They sure are profiling people in London right now, I can tell you that much.

 
At 5:39 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

For the record, my last comment above goes to ANON 5:16 pm and this one goes to ANON 5:31 PM:

LOL CHEAP and TACKY for buying Sunglasses that would normally cost me $300. I call it BARGAIN and DISCOUNT. :-)

I bet you couldnt tell the difference if two pairs were laid in front of you. Paris Hilton couldn't tell the difference on TRL between a real and fake Louis. HAH!

:-) Have a wonderful Wednesday.

 
At 5:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tim Mcveigh and the unibomber were to rare cases a long time ago and we put an end to it and they got their justice. When we arrest terrorist there are protests. Look how much crap there is about Guantanamo Bay and Abu Gharib. What do these people excpect. I know the difference between Muslim and Islam, and we are dealing with spineless cowards who will not stop at any cause even if it comes down to blowing themselves up. What is the ratio of terrorists attacks around the world in the past 5 years of white westerners to that of the middle easterns. That ratio tells me that our money and time would be better spent on profiling the middle easterns. You know what I don't like is that most of middle easterns complain about all of this and they hate America but they continute to live and work here??? Then you have these other clowns who think it is cool to be so far in left field liberal land that they have become nothing more than a mere representation of socialists. People need to not take the American values for granted and not forget what our country is founded on. Freedom of religion is great but when the religion calls for you to take freedom from others it's time to put an end to it and start profiling. Good article AB. -BK

 
At 5:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I apologize for the typos in the posting above-BK

 
At 5:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No matter how you frame it, racial and ethnic profiling is wrong. It segments the population based on superficial characteristics.

Keep in mind that terrorists exist in all populations. The feelings that are the rationale behind these acts are extreme. To begin a conversation which targets a larger group based on the actions of a very small minority of the population is unfair and hurtful.

Shut the door to this conversation.

 
At 5:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Listen, Lil DC Diva- you are sounding really ignorant, and a whole bunch of fellow ignorants are replying to this blog. I just don't understand how you think it is OK to talk about profiling. It isn't. It's racist. No matter how you slice it.

 
At 5:55 PM, Anonymous rcr said...

Lil, my comment was at least partially fecetious.

Notwithstanding that, the FBI has discovered a more-than-tenuous link between fake designer goods and terrorism. The people who sell the fake goods get them from counterfeiters, who are typically part of organized crime. This might be the italian mafia, the japanese mafia, etc. But in some instances, the money has been traced to Islamic organizations that use the profit to fund Hamas and AQ. There was a Dateline about it. Or 60 minutes. Anyway...

Again, it was said in jest. I, unfortunately, put too much money in the hands of terrorists by not driving a hybrid.

 
At 5:56 PM, Blogger Genevieve said...

Maybe it's my own sense of humor poking through, but I thought rcr was just being sarcastic. It's always hard to tell on these damn blogs. Of course, except for those who over-use emoticons. That's just sad and annoying.

 
At 5:57 PM, Blogger Genevieve said...

Can I just say super-creepy that rcr and I posted the same thing at the same time?

 
At 5:58 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

Okay - so I said I don't agree with it, yet its NOT okay to TALK about it? This is clearly a subject that has been brought under light recently (post London bombings), and I am glad I brought it up. I wanted to see how other people felt, and I did. Calling someone ignorant for those purposes is ignorant in itself.

 
At 6:00 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

Above comment was to anon 5:50 pm

 
At 6:02 PM, Anonymous rcr said...

Creepy indeed. It was sarcasm, mixed in with a little bit of hyperbole, and a pinch of paranoia.

 
At 6:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

fvf

 
At 6:05 PM, Blogger Sara said...

Wow. Great response to this post! And of course, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Lil never said she supported profiling, but she does raise a good question.
I don't believe in racial profiling either. Does it happen? Yes. Is it fair? No. Is life fair? NO. It's the way it is.

And anyone who says that they wouldn't feel more comfortable running into a little old lady with a cane in a dark ally than a suspicious looking (regardless of what ethnicity) 25-45 year old man is a LIAR.

 
At 6:09 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 5:41PM "You know what I don't like is that most of middle easterns complain about all of this and they hate America but they continute to live and work here???"

You think that opening the door to this commentary is a good thing? I would prefer to keep folks like this from having a window to express themselves.

Just because you say you don't agree with profiling does not make it any better. You clearly don't have a sense of what it is like to be a minority in this country. It is a daily experience in being profiled and targeted for one reason or another.

So to even bring to the table whether it should be mandated by the government is just hurtful and frustrating. That is what you need to understand.

Profiling happens in so many ways in this country- why validate it?

 
At 6:23 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess since ALL Of the 9/11 hijackers and all of the london train bombers were middle eastern we shouldn't single them out b/c it wouldn't be fair. We should protect the middle easterns feelings and search people like Lil DC Diva instead. That is a great idea guys! (SARCASM) Look, if I lived in Pakistan and a group of white people carried out attacks I'd be the first to let someone search me, I would say that I didn't agree with the attacks and comply with the government. The pictures on the FBI most wanted terrorists are middle eastern and the pictures of terrorists on the news are all of middle easterns... so I'm sorry to hurt your feelings but if we're not going to profile we are morons. -BK

 
At 6:31 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

Anon 6:09 p.m. "Just because you say you don't agree with profiling does not make it any better. You clearly don't have a sense of what it is like to be a minority in this country. It is a daily experience in being profiled and targeted for one reason or another."

For being of Italian-American blood, my family has had the same experiences as you have and I DO have a sense of what it is like. When my family first came to the U.S. back when Italians were thought of as "dirty" and what have you, half of my family CHANGED their last name so their entreprenual businesses could strive and people wouldn't judge them based on their ethnicity. And thats only one story told.

And you know what? I'm sure my male relatives today would be HAPPY to step aside in a profiling search to support the fight against terrorism. They are proud Americans, regardless of what they look like or where they came from.

 
At 8:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think we could all use a beer. Cheers!

 
At 1:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me begin by Congratulating Lil for bringing up this touchy subject and opening this discussion between a group of complete strangers. This has been by far the most worthwhile topic of conversation in the however many months of the butterfly network. Many of you continue to call her ignorant but let me tell you there is a lot more to her than just a pretty face. She has a head on her shoulders, thinks about issues of importance, and more importantly she choices to openly discuss these issues. Don’t get me wrong celebrity gossip and boy talk is entertaining, but this touchy subject is a nice change of pace. I think the number of responses show others agree as well.

Now to business….Terrorism is an issue that is on the minds of almost every American The fact of the matter is before each of you read the blog, you have thought about terrorism and racial profiling whether it is on a plane or subway. So here are my thoughts which you may agree or disagree with. In terms of checking every 5th person vs. checking every middle eastern looking male 20-50 who is carrying a duffle bag, if they are trying to accomplish their goal of stopping an attack we all know what the approach should be taken. Yes, there is a possibility of an 80 year old white lady blowing up a subway, but not nearly as likely as the 4th in line 25 year old middle eastern male that is walking onto the subway as the old lady gets searched. It’s hard to admit that because it isn’t “PC”, but it is reality. I also understand it’s much easier for me to say profiling is ok as a white male, but you know what, if they want to profile all men 20-50 I’m cool with it. I don’t see a problem with profiling to get on a plane or subway. I have never been offended when checked in the airport. I was required to travel for work which required last second booking of airfare bouncing from multiple cities. These type of bookings are an indicator/red flag for terrorist activities checked on every flight. Guess what, I understood this and accepted it. Did I get offended NO. If you don’t believe me book a flight less than a week before it takes off, you will be checked. I don’t get frustrated by the policy I understand it, it makes sense. Just like racial profiling makes sense. Now I disagree with arresting someone based on race or religion.

Now the fake glasses funds the war on terrorism is an absolute joke. That argument is worse than the if you do drugs you support terrorism. Yes if you were shooting heroin back in the 90’s and early 00’s you were through six degrees of separation supporting the Taliban. But in the grand scheme it is highly doubtful any money Ashley paid for any of her 20 pair of fake glasses or fake purses went to a terrorist. Nice try to move away from the bigger argument with a petty comment.

Now to give a little credit to Muslim leaders in the U.S. I have noticed recently several have come out and spoke against terrorists and said they don’t represent the values of Muslims. I applaud those leaders as well as every hardworking Muslim in this country and around the world. I realize that the terrorists are only a small portion of the Muslim populist and I apologize for the penalties you have to deal with due to their ignorance. I have many Muslim friends and I know not one of them is a terrorist. I have heard stories of them being mistreated by ignorant white Americans yes, every race and religion has some bad apples.

Now I do have a couple issues with Lil. This wouldn’t be a complete response without a little criticism. If you read your original post and every comment you followed with, time after time continue to support profiling. I don’t understand why you aren’t admitting it. It doesn’t make you a bad person or a racist, it makes you a realist. Next, to say you understand what it is like to be discriminated against because your grandparents or older generations were is absolutely ludicrous. That’s like me claiming to know what it is like to fight the Nazi’s because my grandfather fought in WWII. Accept the fact that you haven’t been discriminated based on race before, but tell anon you have been based on gender as a women working. But, you know what everyone is discriminated at some point.. Based on race, gender, height, weight, intern status(although the intern blog was a complete joke, when you’re an intern if you work hard you earn respect it isn’t handed to you the second you walk in the door, sorry that was off topic) it happens to us all. When we all applied to college guess what kiddies race played a factor. It was harder statistically for me to get into college based on my GPA and SAT score because I am a white male, Period. But that is a topic to be discussed another time. Great blog lil, keep it up. But I think it is time to come out of the closet and admit you’re for profiling 

 
At 1:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let me begin by Congratulating Lil for bringing up this touchy subject and opening this discussion between a group of complete strangers. This has been by far the most worthwhile topic of conversation in the however many months of the butterfly network. Many of you continue to call her ignorant but let me tell you there is a lot more to her than just a pretty face. She has a head on her shoulders, thinks about issues of importance, and more importantly she choices to openly discuss these issues. Don’t get me wrong celebrity gossip and boy talk is entertaining, but this touchy subject is a nice change of pace. I think the number of responses show others agree as well.

Now to business….Terrorism is an issue that is on the minds of almost every American The fact of the matter is before each of you read the blog, you have thought about terrorism and racial profiling whether it is on a plane or subway. So here are my thoughts which you may agree or disagree with. In terms of checking every 5th person vs. checking every middle eastern looking male 20-50 who is carrying a duffle bag, if they are trying to accomplish their goal of stopping an attack we all know what the approach should be taken. Yes, there is a possibility of an 80 year old white lady blowing up a subway, but not nearly as likely as the 4th in line 25 year old middle eastern male that is walking onto the subway as the old lady gets searched. It’s hard to admit that because it isn’t “PC”, but it is reality. I also understand it’s much easier for me to say profiling is ok as a white male, but you know what, if they want to profile all men 20-50 I’m cool with it. I don’t see a problem with profiling to get on a plane or subway. I have never been offended when checked in the airport. I was required to travel for work which required last second booking of airfare bouncing from multiple cities. These type of bookings are an indicator/red flag for terrorist activities checked on every flight. Guess what, I understood this and accepted it. Did I get offended NO. If you don’t believe me book a flight less than a week before it takes off, you will be checked. I don’t get frustrated by the policy I understand it, it makes sense. Just like racial profiling makes sense. Now I disagree with arresting someone based on race or religion.

Now the fake glasses funds the war on terrorism is an absolute joke. That argument is worse than the if you do drugs you support terrorism. Yes if you were shooting heroin back in the 90’s and early 00’s you were through six degrees of separation supporting the Taliban. But in the grand scheme it is highly doubtful any money Ashley paid for any of her 20 pair of fake glasses or fake purses went to a terrorist. Nice try to move away from the bigger argument with a petty comment.

Now to give a little credit to Muslim leaders in the U.S. I have noticed recently several have come out and spoke against terrorists and said they don’t represent the values of Muslims. I applaud those leaders as well as every hardworking Muslim in this country and around the world. I realize that the terrorists are only a small portion of the Muslim populist and I apologize for the penalties you have to deal with due to their ignorance. I have many Muslim friends and I know not one of them is a terrorist. I have heard stories of them being mistreated by ignorant white Americans yes, every race and religion has some bad apples.

Now I do have a couple issues with Lil. This wouldn’t be a complete response without a little criticism. If you read your original post and every comment you followed with, time after time continue to support profiling. I don’t understand why you aren’t admitting it. It doesn’t make you a bad person or a racist, it makes you a realist. Next, to say you understand what it is like to be discriminated against because your grandparents or older generations were is absolutely ludicrous. That’s like me claiming to know what it is like to fight the Nazi’s because my grandfather fought in WWII. Accept the fact that you haven’t been discriminated based on race before, but tell anon you have been based on gender as a women working. But, you know what everyone is discriminated at some point.. Based on race, gender, height, weight, intern status(although the intern blog was a complete joke, when you’re an intern if you work hard you earn respect it isn’t handed to you the second you walk in the door, sorry that was off topic) it happens to us all. When we all applied to college guess what kiddies race played a factor. It was harder statistically for me to get into college based on my GPA and SAT score because I am a white male, Period. But that is a topic to be discussed another time. Great blog lil, keep it up. But I think it is time to come out of the closet and admit you’re for profiling 

 
At 7:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To Anon 1.42

Rambling posts that read like dissertations tend to get ignored.

 
At 8:25 AM, Blogger I-66 said...

and I believe this is called opening Pandora's Box.

 
At 9:37 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is a good link for everyone who thinks that we shouldn’t profile. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050804/ap_on_re_mi_ea/zawahri_tape

You have these bastards on tape saying that they promise to carry out more attacks on the west and yet you don’t want to profile? If you don’t want to profile people how about they search people by race with proportion to the attacks that they have carried out in the last 5 years? I think that is a good solution, that way we wouldn’t be profiling it would just so happen that due to the statistics that most all of these attacks are carried out by Middle Easter’s they would get searched more frequently. -bk

 
At 10:41 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lil DC Diva said: "When my family first came to the U.S. back when Italians were thought of as "dirty" and what have you, half of my family CHANGED their last name so their entreprenual businesses could strive and people wouldn't judge them based on their ethnicity. And thats only one story told."

Too bad skin color can't be changed...

 
At 10:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

She was talking about how she has had personal ties with profiling and you all attack her? I'd like to see another brave soul tackle this topic as she did. Nice work, lil!

 
At 10:49 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thought Anon 1:42AM had the most relevant comments, although always have a hard time hearing about the white man's burden when it comes to college qualifications. But as noted, another conversation for another day.

 
At 11:04 AM, Anonymous rcr said...

Anon 1:42 - I said I made the comment in jest, but if you want to be a douche about it fine: Profit from counterfeit goods goes into the hands of criminals. The entire enterprise is illegal, since you can't import goods that violate US trademark laws. Some of those criminals don't like the US or Israel very much, and therefore give some of their money to anti-US organizations. This is not a disputed issue - we know for a fact this happens. Does one pair of sunglasses make a difference? Obviously not. But I would think that as Americans would we try to not give, you know, ANY money to those who wish to destroy us. It's a crazy idea, I know.

 
At 11:08 AM, Blogger Sara said...

hey guys about the knock off designer sunglasses... it's fairly obvious that rcr was joking...

 
At 1:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lil DC Diva is one that called herself out on the fake Gucci sunglasses, and it's true. The Bush administration has issued a ton of propaganda indicating that buying fake goods support terrorist networks. Not to mention the fact that it's tacky to buy fake sunglasses and pass them off as real.

Lil DC Diva can keep defending her argument, but that doesn't change the fact that she was clearly offended that as a white woman she was being searched for bombs. Supposedly she is supposed to be non-threatening. Imagine how an innocent Muslim feels if people are constantly casting them dirty looks or running away scared because they think that they are terrorists.

As a minority in this country, I can honestly say that I'm offended that she would indicate that she understands what it is like to be discriminated against due to race, just because her ancestors were Italian. Give me a break.

 
At 1:21 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

"As a minority in this country, I can honestly say that I'm offended that she would indicate that she understands what it is like to be discriminated against due to race, just because her ancestors were Italian. Give me a break."

How would you feel if your child grandchildren said that about you one day? That's horrible.

 
At 2:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cry me a river. You can't expect me to feel sorry because you believe that people have been racist against you. It's important to know where you come from, but you have no idea what it is like to be a minority in this country. I'm boycotting your blog. I can't deal with your half-intelligent comments anymore.

 
At 2:19 PM, Blogger Sara said...

buh bye

 
At 3:22 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

lil dc diva- I am assuming from the offense that you have taken from some of the comments on this blog that some part of you comes from a sincere place... You believe that you understand what it is like to be discriminated against.

But, my grandchildren will not have to hear from their grandparents what it is like to be discriminated against. I am sure that if they look anything like me-that they will still be experiencing discrimination in their time.

Some things don't blend out, or melt away with a name change over time.

 
At 3:43 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

Anon 2:16 and others: Everyone has their personal views and very personal ties with this issue and I CLEARLY understand that. But for someone to blame me for not understanding or knowing is simply wrong - I don't know you, you don't know me. I choose to comment on this issue as did you. I've had personal ties with the issue and so have you. I am aware of cultural differences, be it looks, religion, or anything else that may seperate people.
The name change was an example of what my family experienced during a time of cultural differences. So you think its a poor example? Well I think its poor taste to badger me and my family's experiences because "I will never know what it feels like to be you." And you know what? You're right. I won't know. Because I'm not you. And you'll never know what it feels like to be me.

 
At 4:18 PM, Anonymous j said...

Attacking someone like that is wrong. All you haters need to leave her alone. It was well written and she wrote about a topical and timely issue and ASKED what the readers thought - how can you turn this around to attack her and call her RACIST? This is absurd.

 
At 4:22 PM, Blogger Sara said...

AMEN J :-)

 
At 4:26 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one has called anyone a racist here.

There were references made that certain assumptions and statements may come across in a manner that may be construed as culturally insensitive or hurtful.

 
At 4:32 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think j was referring to a comment which has since been removed...

And I think if anything was said that was culturally insenitive or hurtful it was the rude comments people made to Lil.

 
At 4:38 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The thing is that Lil Diva opened the door to a controversial issue.

Naturally, there are going to be strong reactions to the comments made not only by the poster, but to others who have joined in the conversation.

If the intention of this post was simply to have supporters of profiling respond, then that should have been made clear from the beginning.

 
At 4:41 PM, Blogger Sara said...

"If the intention of this post was simply to have supporters of profiling respond, then that should have been made clear from the beginning."

Of course this post is open for all discussions. Otherwise we wouldn't have a comment section. However, attacking people is totally different from giving an educated, (or not) thought out response...

 
At 4:42 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

Which clearly weren't my intentions at all, anon. :-) I welcomed all comments and thoughts, but when someone attacks me personally despite the fact they do not know me - thats when I get defensive, who wouldn't?

 
At 4:53 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

You can't expect to blog on such a controversial topic without a couple of haters.

 
At 7:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's very simple. do you feel more threatnened by 3 old ladies on the subway, or three young muslim men. Ask yourself this and be honest. I know it is an extreme example, but why bother searching old people. All the bombers fit a certain profile. I also know that people can convert. But Ol'Beatrice isn't a threat,she's just on her way to buy molasses and depends at Duane Reed. that to me is a complete waste of time.

 
At 7:19 PM, Blogger dc wanderer... said...

Your point that the attackers were islamic/muslim men is correct. But how do you intend to identify them based on their religious beliefs? Did you mean middle eastern men? What about the african-born london bombers (somalia & ethiopia I think). Then we have the hispanic Padilla dirty bomber.. and white jihadists in Chechnya.. and john walker lindh.. and this guy: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6685673/

That might be why the mayor of NY said racial profiling doesn't work.
Yeah, I understand the reasoning behind wanting to put middle-eastern males under greater scrutiny, but if they really want to attack, they'll probably adapt. Women were used to smuggle bombs through checkpoints during the Algerian resistance. The real solution is to check everyone - but with the volume of people that's probably not going to happen. At least with random searches you can put a bit fear into them that they may be picked. The whole situation really sucks and I think the best we can all do is just be vigilant, cooperate if selected, and hope for the best.

 
At 7:57 PM, Blogger Lil DC Diva said...

Very good thoughts dc wanderer. Thank you :-)

 
At 8:17 PM, Blogger The Senator said...

Racial profiling would never work with regard to the "war on terror." Why? Because there is no one country, one people, one anything, etc. that we are fighting.

The only way to fight the war on terror, truly, is with a war on ideas. Come up with better ideas, infiltrate the belief system that perpetuates the war on terror, and then, maybe then, we'll make an impact.

 
At 8:48 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lil. The subway cop was just trying to make time with you probably.

 

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